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"Acid Washing 101"

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ljohnston
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Most of us with teenagers are familiar with the term “Acid Washing” which is the process of taking a perfectly good pair of blue jeans (which sell for $ 29.99) and turning them into a ragged discolored pair of jeans (which now would sell for $ 79.99) to enhance our young people's style points.

However I wish to address the Catalytic Converter scam which involves treating the scrap catalytic converter by washing or submerging the WHOLE UNIT into an acid solution in an effort to strip / remove the precious metals from the ceramic substrate. This process WILL remove some of the metals contained, thus making the units scrap value far less than the untreated unit of the same type.

Once the unit is treated some converter resellers, ones without the integrity to do business in a straight up fashion, will try to sell these units to unsuspecting buyers in a normal mix of converters (some of these units have been traced back to the southern USA). This results in the end buyer / seller suffering unsuspected losses and hard earned money going by the wayside.

How do know and what to watch out for and avoid the problem.

1. Acid washing sometimes will leave a smell / odor.

2. Washing will leave the catalyst with a higher than normal moisture content – some units look as though water / fluid is
still coming out and the unit will feel heavier than normal.

3. Washing will sometimes leave than inside of the converter extremely clean – no exhaust system residue (carbon build up)
on the inside area of the converter.

4. Sometimes a green residue (oxidation like) at the edge of the catalyst where it touches the metal of the converter hull.

5. External appearance of the converter is not normal. The outside of the converter hull is streaked with a tarnished
appearance. This is not a normal rusted look as the units from areas where road salts and de-icing materials are used in
cold climates which cause all over rusting of the unit. The unit sometimes will look corroded as automobile battery terminals
do when not maintained – greenish / white coloration.

Unfortunately this practice is real but one can use common sense to avoid getting caught up in this SCAM. The people who have done this generally pick higher metal content units i.e. foreign (X-2’s , Fat Toyotas , Round Camry , Nissan 4 cross, BMW), high grade GM and some stainless steel units so be suspicious of unusual mixes containing more than the normal ratio of high grade to lower grade units. Inspect the converter body – look for the streaked hull, look for the unusual corrosion, look for an extra clean interior of the unit. If you practice these things hopefully you will avoid the nasty acid washing people in this business.

bubba
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more washed units

So today I saw the latest trick in acid washing, becouse the shields are light gauge material, acid tears them up quickly. This is a dead giveaway the unit has been washed.
All the material I saw today was Toyota, the shields had been obviously removed, then replaced. Problem with that is reproducing that factory crimp, very noticeable when comparing to a factory unit. Also, they will put a small weld to hold it back on, a tell tale sign.

bubba
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Washed units

We had a guy show up here with 600 washed pieces. He had some big story about how they came off burned vechicles, yea right, 600 cats all burned?
I had enough insight into what nitric acid does to the 400 stainless, so I surmised they had used some form of aqua regia, which brings up a good point, DO NOT handle suspect units with your bare hands and dispose gloves properly. That leaky mess might be nitric acid.
We allowed this guy to leave with his material, however it is now our policy that no washed units will leave our premises, and no money will change hands, we will insure it is destroyed, have a problem with that, too bad. We are going to ensure that this material does not make it to one of our suppliers or competitors.
Remove the market for this stuff and it will dry up.

celftman (not verified)
Washed Clean

As it is in everyone’s best interest to investigate all potential scams, I will be checking into our guests posts from time to time. My only intentions are to ensure that all scams are unveiled, our industry becomes educated, and no person or company is unduly defamed. While we should all always be on the lookout for acid washed units, we must do our due diligence when making accusations. It is important to realize that one suspect unit does not immediately contaminate a whole load, nor does it signify that the seller is indeed guilty. We must remember that the people out there who are in fact acid washing converters and trying to sell them into the unsuspecting market are the evil few, not the majority and that they can and will spread them out in small quantities until they find someone they are comfortable that they can “get one over on” . What does this mean to us as buyers? It means that we have to get to know who we are dealing with for one. It means that we must be careful but not to be to quick to judge. If you are grading a load of converters and you come across a suspect unit, we suggest that you stop and talk to the supplier about it, find out how they came about the unit, and explain your concerns. It is always a good idea to get another opinion. Take a picture and send it to someone whom you know to be knowledgeable about detecting “bad units”, any one of us that knows will be more than happy to help. If the supplier gets uncomfortable with this, maybe then a red flag should go up. If the supplier is willing to work with you then maybe they were taken advantage of and you then have the opportunity to not only educate them but also build your relationship with that supplier. I would not ever support any person or company who I believed to be involved in seedy activity. I believe the supplier in question in this instance was too quickly judged. Again we wish to educate the industry of all of the scams that are out there. Let’s be sure that we are all making a positive impact on our industry.

joed
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Acid Washing of Foils

Beware of a large number of washed foils (wires) coming out of Central Florida. One of my customers was scammed on a full gaylord of perfectly trimmed foils, but I knew they were washed as soon as I laid eyes on them. The oxidization on the hull was readily apparent and the white residue can't be hidden. Obviously the acid washing removes a higher percentage of metals from foils vs. honeycomb. I helped my customer file a police report and bring charges against the original seller (he's well known in the Southeast and Chicago area as a scam artist, but he's capable of running these units anywhere!)

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Thanks MultiMetco

Thanks Lyn and MultiMetco for sharing your knowledge on this subject

Jay Robie
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Phoenix Automotive Cores

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